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‘Unethical’ to kill an embryo

By Chris Lindsay

It is never ethical to sacrifice one life for the real or perceived benefit
of another human being, Blacktown MP Paul Gibson told a State parliamentary
debate on a Bill to allow research on human embryos.

Even though his younger sister died at 29 of acute myeloid leukaemia and his
mother is battling cancer, he does not know, he told the debate, whether he
could make the decision to kill an embryo so they could survive.

“Even if I were satisfied that embryonic stem cells could be used to help my
sister when she was alive and my mum at the moment, I do not know whether I
could,” he said.

“I would hate to be in the position of having to make such a call; it would
be too hard. Like every other member, I think it would be wonderful if there
was a cure for people who are paralysed and in wheelchairs, people who are
crippled, people who are mentally retarded, and people with any other
sickness.

“But one has always to ask: What is the cost?”

A Bill allowing embryonic stem cell research passed through Federal
Parliament earlier this year and must now be ratified by each of the states.

All MPs in the NSW Legislative Assembly were given a conscience vote on the
Bill, which was approved by 68 votes to 21.

It has now gone to the Legislative Council for further debate.

Paul Gibson told the Lower House that there were moral and scientific issues
to consider and religious views to take into account.

“I find it very hard to support the Research Involving Human Embryos Bill
because, even today, scientists and researchers differ on the worth of stem
cells and any advantage they may provide.

“Embryonic stem cell research concerns me greatly, although I do not have
the same concern about adult stem cell research, because adult stem cells
have the great advantage that an embryo does not have. (The latter needs) to
be destroyed to access them.

“That is my main point about this bill. Various types of stem cells are used
in research. Stem cells taken from adult tissue - placentas and umbilical
cord blood - can be retrieved without harming the donor.

“However, the only way to obtain embryonic stem cells is to kill a living
human embryo, and that is something I find very hard to accept.

“My objection to this bill is that it is never ethical to sacrifice one life
for the real or perceived benefit of another human being.”

Marianne Saliba, MP for Illawarra, who is a Catholic, said Parliament had an
obligation to protect life, not destroy it.

She said scientists and specialists should be directing their energy towards
researching adult stem cells.

“Where is our respect for life? From the time of conception our genetics and
make-up lie in a tiny, fertilised egg,” she said.

“Federal and State governments do not appear to have much respect for life.
Stem cell research is a moral issue about life.

“If we believe that life begins at conception, we cannot support the
destruction of that life for any reason.”

Parliament does not “have the right to make decisions about whether somebody
should live or die”, Mrs Saliba said.

“We do not have the death penalty in Australia, but we are giving these
embryos the death penalty.

“We are saying: ‘Sorry, nobody wants you; out you go’.

“Laws in NSW specify that only four embryos can be transferred at one time.
If 15 eggs are fertilised, 11 embryos are frozen or otherwise disposed of.
“This Parliament should regulate the number of eggs that can be fertilised
at any one time.

“We must put a stop to this shameful practice. We should not be passing
legislation for further research. The jury is still out on the question of
embryonic stem cells versus adult stem cells. We might achieve something if
we put the same energy into researching adult stem cells.”

Others to speak and vote against the Bill included:

Virginia Judge (Strathfield): Embryonic stem cell research is unethical
because it involves a wilful destruction of created embryos that have an
inherent dignity. I fully support stem cell research that does not involve
embryo destruction. This debate is not about religion versus science but
about good science versus bad science.

Christopher Hartcher (Gosford): Science does not work its miracles by
destroying the very principles upon which society is built. Science works
its miracles by developing advances within the framework of ethics and
respect for human life. We do not advance human life by destroying it - and
that is what this bill would allow.

Kristina Keneally (Heffron): The bill opens the door to creating embryos for
research purposes, relies on a flawed definition of what constitutes human
life and marks the beginning of purely instrumental uses of human life.

Embryos have become available for research purposes only because NSW and
some other states have failed to enact legislation governing assisted
reproductive technology.

Andrew Stoner (Oxley): The issue is not whether the embryos are surplus; it
is the ethics of destroying an embryo for the purpose of benefiting another
human.

Paul Crittenden (Wyong): The root of the debate really comes down to the
ethical question of what’s the moral status of a human embryo? Is it a
person or is it a piece of property?

HOW DID YOUR LOCAL MP VOTE?

In favour
 
Pamela Allan, Wentworthville
Richard Amery, Mount Druitt
Alan Ashton, East Hills
David Barr, Manly
John Bartlett, Port Stephens
Diane Beamer, Mulgoa
Gladys Berejiklian, Willoughby
Peter Black, Murray-Darling
John Brogden, Pittwater
Matthew Brown, Kiama
Linda Burney, Canterbury
Cherie Burton, Kogarah
Stephen Cansdell, Clarence
Robert Carr, Maroubra
Barry Collier, Miranda
Andrew Constance, Bega
Geoffrey Corrigan, Camden
Angela D’Amore, Drummoyne
Peter Debnam, Vaucluse
Bob Debus, Blue Mountains
Andrew Fraser, Coffs Harbour
Tanya Gadiel, Parramatta
Bryce Gaudry, Newcastle
Kevin Greene, Georges River
Shelley Hancock, South Coast
Bradley Hazzard, Wakehurst
Katrina Hodgkinson, Burrinjuck
Judy Hopwood, Hornsby
Andrew Humpherson, Davidson
Jeff Hunter, Lake Macquarie
Morris Iemma, Lakemba
Graig Knowles, Macquarie Fields
Paul Lynch, Liverpool
Paul McLeay, Heathcote
Reba Meagher, Cabramatta
Alison Megarrity, Menai
John Mills, Wallsend
Clover Moore, Bligh
Matthew Morris, Charlestown
Neville Newell, Tweed
Sandra Nori, Port Jackson
Robert Oakeshott, Port Macquarie
Barry O’Farrell, Ku-ring-gai
Milton Orkopoulos, Swansea
Donald Page, Ballina
Karyn Paluzzano, Penrith
Paul Pearce, Coogee
Adrian Piccoli, Murrumbidgee
John Price, Maitland
Steven Pringle, Hawkesbury
Andrew Refshauge, Marrickville
Michael Richardson, The Hills
Frank Sartor, Rockdale
Carl Scully, Smithfield
Peta Seaton, Southern Highlands
Allan Shearan, Londonderry
Jillian Skinner, North Shore
Ian Slack-Smith, Barwon
George Souris, Upper Hunter
Tony Stewart, Bankstown
Joseph Tripodi, Fairfield
John Turner, Myall Lakes
Russell Turner, Orange
John Watkins, Ryde
Steve Whan, Monaro
Kim Yeadon, Granville
Against

Marie Andrews, Peats
Gregory Aplin, Albury
Paul Crittenden, Wyong
Peter Draper, Tamworth
Thomas George, Lismore
Paul Gibson, Blacktown
Christopher Hartcher, Gosford
Noreen Hay, Wollongong
Virginia Judge, Strathfield
Kristina Keneally, Heffron
Grant McBride, The Entrance
Anthony McGrane, Dubbo
Daryl Maguire, Wagga Wagga
Wayne Merton, Baulkham Hills
Barbara Perry, Auburn
Anthony Roberts, Lane Cove
Marianne Saliba, Illawarra
Andrew Stoner, Oxley
Andrew Tink, Epping
Richard Torbay, Northern Tablelands
Graham West, Campbelltown